[ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

You and me both, brother.....
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of v.h.villarreal
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:08 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

Peggy,

I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.  jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
>
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time.
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
>
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
>
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
>
> Signed
>
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
>
>
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something.
>   Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the
databases over
>   an excel file in the files area?
>
>   I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless
>   encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
being
>   an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own
>   excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that
>   truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal
>   research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
giving
>   the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be
able to
>   do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for
some).
>
>   Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or
>   scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with
>   the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no
>   approximates)."
>
>   thanks,
>
>   joseph
>
>   mexicanfhr wrote:
>
>   >Maria,
>   >
>   >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
>   >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
>   >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
>   >work on putting them, into your database.
>   >
>   >Jonathan
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >




Victor and Peggy,
 
I don't know where you live but my advice is to find an FHC center that you really like within reasonable distance from you. I have 4 centers in my area but thanks to Helyn a Rancho's member I go to one that to date has been very good to me and while it's not the closest one they are very accomodating. I have also learned not to get over zealous by ordering too many films at one time. There are some films that are very long covering a long time span and some that are shorter and easier to review.
 
Thanks to many of you who answered my questions about lateral research. I have now given myself permission to take as long as necessary in order to get where I'm going in my ancestral search. It could be finding all my aunts and uncles(lateral) as well as my direct line ancestors and I'll get there when I get there
 
I have been scanning the films that I order record by record lest I miss something valuable. I now know that in the first films I reviewed last March when I went to Salt Lake I scanned over them too fast and probably missed finding data about some of these aunts, uncles or cousins that would or should be in my data base. Fortunately I know which ones they are and can request them again for my local FHC.
 
Peggy, as Arturo stated, any films that you deem valuable, before your two or three week time period is up you can renew  and after the third renewal it will remain at your local FHC on permanent or indefinite loan. Those are the film numbers that Joseph has requested we include in the database. I for one need to document which film #'s, location, time period and event and forward or enter into the data base if we are allowed to edit.
 
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Ca
 
 

Peggy Delgado <peggydee@...> wrote:
You and me both, brother.....
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of v.h.villarreal
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:08 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

Peggy,

I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.  jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
>
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time.
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
>
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
>
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
>
> Signed
>
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
>
>
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something.
>   Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the
databases over
>   an excel file in the files area?
>
>   I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless
>   encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
being
>   an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own
>   excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that
>   truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal
>   research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
giving
>   the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be
able to
>   do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for
some).
>
>   Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or
>   scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with
>   the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no
>   approximates)."
>
>   thanks,
>
>   joseph
>
>   mexicanfhr wrote:
>
>   >Maria,
>   >
>   >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
>   >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
>   >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
>   >work on putting them, into your database.
>   >
>   >Jonathan
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >




why not talk to Salt Lake and pettition them to allow your films to be
ILL to you local library. All they can do is say no. I’ve understood
that in some cases they will do that, but maybe that’s only when there
are absolutely not FHC anywhere close. This might not apply in your
case.



Jonathan do you know about this?



joseph



Peggy Delgado wrote:

You and me both, brother.....
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of v.h.villarreal
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:08 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

Peggy,

I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.  jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
>
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time.
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
>
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
>
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
>
> Signed
>
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
>
>
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something.
>   Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the
databases over
>   an excel file in the files area?
>
>   I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless
>   encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
being
>   an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own
>   excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that
>   truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal
>   research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
giving
>   the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be
able to
>   do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for
some).
>
>   Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or
>   scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with
>   the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no
>   approximates)."
>
>   thanks,
>
>   joseph
>
>   mexicanfhr wrote:
>
>   >Maria,
>   >
>   >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
>   >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
>   >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
>   >work on putting them, into your database.
>   >
>   >Jonathan
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >




Joseph,

As far I as I know, the FHL does not do Inter Library Loan.  There are a few Public libraries, that do have film access.  But I do not know which ones they are.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan Walker

 

Experienced Hispanic and Mexican family history researcher:  www.mexicanfhr.com  or jonathan@...

 

 


From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Puentes
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:59 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

 

why not talk to Salt Lake and pettition them to allow your films to be ILL to you local library. All they can do is say no. I've understood that in some cases they will do that, but maybe that's only when there are absolutely not FHC anywhere close. This might not apply in your case.

Jonathan do you know about this?

joseph

Peggy Delgado wrote:

You and me both, brother.....

-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of v.h.villarreal
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:08 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

Peggy,

I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.  jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
>
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time.
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
>
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
>
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
>
> Signed
>
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
>
>
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something.
>   Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the
databases over
>   an excel file in the files area?
>
>   I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless
>   encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
being
>   an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own
>   excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that
>   truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal
>   research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
giving
>   the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be
able to
>   do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for
some).
>
>   Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or
>   scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with
>   the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no
>   approximates)."
>
>   thanks,
>
>   joseph
>
>   mexicanfhr wrote:
>
>   >Maria,
>   >
>   >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
>   >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
>   >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
>   >work on putting them, into your database.
>   >
>   >Jonathan
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >



 

Are you sure. . .maybe my use of the phrase ILL is wrong. I thought
that if there was an area that didn’t have a close by FHC that they
would let the films go to a local library. Its not exactly an ILL but
kind of. I thought that since that library that Victor attends has such
user unfriendly hours that the FHL might consider allowing this. I
really don’t know. I might be absolutely wrong about this.



joseph



mexicanfhr site wrote:

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Joseph,

As far I as I know, the FHL does not do Inter Library Loan.  There are a few Public libraries, that do have film access.  But I do not know which ones they are.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan Walker

 

Experienced Hispanic and Mexican family history researcher:  www.mexicanfhr.com  or jonathan@...

 

 


From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Puentes
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:59 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

 

why not talk to Salt Lake and pettition them to allow your films to be ILL to you local library. All they can do is say no. I've understood that in some cases they will do that, but maybe that's only when there are absolutely not FHC anywhere close. This might not apply in your case.

Jonathan do you know about this?

joseph

Peggy Delgado wrote:

You and me both, brother.....

-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of v.h.villarreal
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:08 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.

Peggy,

I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.  jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
>
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time.
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
>
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
>
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
>
> Signed
>
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
>
>
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something.
>   Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the
databases over
>   an excel file in the files area?
>
>   I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless
>   encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
being
>   an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own
>   excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that
>   truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal
>   research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
giving
>   the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be
able to
>   do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for
some).
>
>   Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or
>   scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with
>   the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no
>   approximates)."
>
>   thanks,
>
>   joseph
>
>   mexicanfhr wrote:
>
>   >Maria,
>   >
>   >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
>   >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
>   >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
>   >work on putting them, into your database.
>   >
>   >Jonathan
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >



 

Joseph,
Its me again!!! I am dropping you a quick line to APOLOGIZE again............;( !!!
After I sent my info to you, I read your email that said not to include live relatives. Please ignore the names after Seferina Robles. We are still living.Also, I missed the boat  about how to list  names. In the emails I have received I keep seeing these sites I am not familiar with. Boy do I feel dumb!!! I am not sure how to see info on others . Is there somewhere on the site where info is listed and are we allowed to contact them?
HOPE